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		<title>By: Terry White</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16921</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, I totally agree!</description>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Netflix had an &quot;it&#039;s ok&quot; rating between &quot;didn&#039;t like it&quot; and &quot;liked it&quot;. Some movies are just ok. I don&#039;t want to commit to saying I liked it, but then again I wasn&#039;t offended enough to say I didn&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Netflix had an &#8220;it&#8217;s ok&#8221; rating between &#8220;didn&#8217;t like it&#8221; and &#8220;liked it&#8221;. Some movies are just ok. I don&#8217;t want to commit to saying I liked it, but then again I wasn&#8217;t offended enough to say I didn&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16906</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found most ratings and quality surveys are mostly a waste of everyone&#039;s time and energy. They&#039;re mostly focussed on how or why something doesn&#039;t work. It doesn&#039;t really offer any guidance to improve. You just know that it&#039;s wrong and you have to try and figure out what to do to improve.

I came across a great rating system that&#039;s productive and simple for everyone. I use it in my business and with everything else in my life. It&#039;s been really successful.

Step 1:
Ask your customers, wife, kids, friends, etc to rate (what ever it is) out of 10 (or 5 doesn&#039;t really matter)

Step 2: The most important step!
Then ask... If it&#039;s not a 10, what would make it a 10?

You&#039;d be surprised by the replies. The answers are more straight to the point and more focussed towards a solution. Try it out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found most ratings and quality surveys are mostly a waste of everyone&#8217;s time and energy. They&#8217;re mostly focussed on how or why something doesn&#8217;t work. It doesn&#8217;t really offer any guidance to improve. You just know that it&#8217;s wrong and you have to try and figure out what to do to improve.</p>
<p>I came across a great rating system that&#8217;s productive and simple for everyone. I use it in my business and with everything else in my life. It&#8217;s been really successful.</p>
<p>Step 1:<br />
Ask your customers, wife, kids, friends, etc to rate (what ever it is) out of 10 (or 5 doesn&#8217;t really matter)</p>
<p>Step 2: The most important step!<br />
Then ask&#8230; If it&#8217;s not a 10, what would make it a 10?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be surprised by the replies. The answers are more straight to the point and more focussed towards a solution. Try it out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16904</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to mention that I like it when it displays the frequency distribution, and not just the average. iTunes and Amazon both do this. If I see something that has a deeply divided response, with lots of 1-star and lots of 5-stars, even though it has an average rating, I will usually check it out. I know that I&#039;m likely to either love or hate it. Average ratings can be deceiving.

I find I rent a lot of &quot;average&quot; Netflix movies that people are deeply divided on (even though I have to comb through the reviews to get a sense of that, since Netflix doesn&#039;t show distributions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to mention that I like it when it displays the frequency distribution, and not just the average. iTunes and Amazon both do this. If I see something that has a deeply divided response, with lots of 1-star and lots of 5-stars, even though it has an average rating, I will usually check it out. I know that I&#8217;m likely to either love or hate it. Average ratings can be deceiving.</p>
<p>I find I rent a lot of &#8220;average&#8221; Netflix movies that people are deeply divided on (even though I have to comb through the reviews to get a sense of that, since Netflix doesn&#8217;t show distributions).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16901</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I&#039;ve seen a lot of these types of reviews for inkjet printers as well. But I have to say, getting defective units is exactly the kind of feedback I&#039;m looking for. If I see three posts of people who all had to return their units, that&#039;s valuable information. Additionally, if it&#039;s not intuitive and requires reading a manual (...so last millennium), I&#039;m interested in knowing as well. Maybe I&#039;m willing to have a more sophisticated product that will take more of my time learning how to use it, but it&#039;s nice to know if people found it unintuitive and difficult to use without reading the manual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of these types of reviews for inkjet printers as well. But I have to say, getting defective units is exactly the kind of feedback I&#8217;m looking for. If I see three posts of people who all had to return their units, that&#8217;s valuable information. Additionally, if it&#8217;s not intuitive and requires reading a manual (&#8230;so last millennium), I&#8217;m interested in knowing as well. Maybe I&#8217;m willing to have a more sophisticated product that will take more of my time learning how to use it, but it&#8217;s nice to know if people found it unintuitive and difficult to use without reading the manual.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16900</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed your article. You make a lot of good points. You&#039;re exactly right about looking for bad reviews for products I&#039;m thinking of buying (or vendors I&#039;m thinking of buying from), and good reviews for movies.

You&#039;re slightly more generous with your Netflix stars than I am. You seem to average out between 3 and 4 stars for movies you &quot;liked.&quot; I go with a more strict interpretation, which is why I appreciate that they have a pop-up tooltip to tell you what the stars mean (Hated, Didn&#039;t Like, Liked, Really Liked, Loved). If I see a movie that was good, I enjoyed it for the most part, but I&#039;m not likely to recommend it to anyone, that&#039;s a 3 star movie in my book (a.k.a. &quot;I liked it&quot;). Your definition of a 3-star movie (&quot;barely OK ... not going to recommend it and I wish it had ended sooner&quot;) sounds more like a &quot;didn&#039;t like it&quot; to me, which Netflix defines as 2 stars. I&#039;ve rated 2,952 movies. No point for saying that, just demonstrating how few &quot;better things to do&quot; I have.  :-)

P.S. I&#039;m guilty of sometimes rating a product higher than I normally would, if I liked it and want to offset a bunch of &quot;invalid&quot; 1-star reviews (for things like &quot;it didn&#039;t arrive in time&quot; or &quot;it&#039;s too expensive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your article. You make a lot of good points. You&#8217;re exactly right about looking for bad reviews for products I&#8217;m thinking of buying (or vendors I&#8217;m thinking of buying from), and good reviews for movies.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re slightly more generous with your Netflix stars than I am. You seem to average out between 3 and 4 stars for movies you &#8220;liked.&#8221; I go with a more strict interpretation, which is why I appreciate that they have a pop-up tooltip to tell you what the stars mean (Hated, Didn&#8217;t Like, Liked, Really Liked, Loved). If I see a movie that was good, I enjoyed it for the most part, but I&#8217;m not likely to recommend it to anyone, that&#8217;s a 3 star movie in my book (a.k.a. &#8220;I liked it&#8221;). Your definition of a 3-star movie (&#8220;barely OK &#8230; not going to recommend it and I wish it had ended sooner&#8221;) sounds more like a &#8220;didn&#8217;t like it&#8221; to me, which Netflix defines as 2 stars. I&#8217;ve rated 2,952 movies. No point for saying that, just demonstrating how few &#8220;better things to do&#8221; I have.  <img src='http://terrywhite.com/techblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;m guilty of sometimes rating a product higher than I normally would, if I liked it and want to offset a bunch of &#8220;invalid&#8221; 1-star reviews (for things like &#8220;it didn&#8217;t arrive in time&#8221; or &#8220;it&#8217;s too expensive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16892</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I tend to do is look at the 1 star reviews to see if the average is being pulled down for the people reviewing something that they didn&#039;t buy or use.  I will also look for things like if it breaks, etc., to see if there really is a problem.

For items with few reviews, I will also look at the reviewer&#039;s other reviews.  I&#039;ve seen people review consistently low or high, and if I can find something that I&#039;ve used and see that they rated it too high or low, I can figure how far off they may be on other reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I tend to do is look at the 1 star reviews to see if the average is being pulled down for the people reviewing something that they didn&#8217;t buy or use.  I will also look for things like if it breaks, etc., to see if there really is a problem.</p>
<p>For items with few reviews, I will also look at the reviewer&#8217;s other reviews.  I&#8217;ve seen people review consistently low or high, and if I can find something that I&#8217;ve used and see that they rated it too high or low, I can figure how far off they may be on other reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16888</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and don&#039;t even get started on the practice of putting &quot;click yes if you agree&quot; in a nonsense review in an attempt to get to the top of the pile. There are certain phrases that should immediately send a review to a human for a review of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t even get started on the practice of putting &#8220;click yes if you agree&#8221; in a nonsense review in an attempt to get to the top of the pile. There are certain phrases that should immediately send a review to a human for a review of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The democratization of reviews had really made it tough to find informed and insightful opinions on why or why I shouldn&#039;t purchase something. 

You see the same thing in the iTunes store. Uninformed rants by people that may or may not have bought an album or TV show about the pricing, the inability to purchase a specific track, or simply nonsense &quot;look at me!&quot; posts. Apple really needs to start limiting reviews to those that actually bought the item. Perhaps to encourage professional reviews, they could open unlimited reviews to anyone that has posted more than 25 that are rated &quot;useful&quot; by other users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The democratization of reviews had really made it tough to find informed and insightful opinions on why or why I shouldn&#8217;t purchase something. </p>
<p>You see the same thing in the iTunes store. Uninformed rants by people that may or may not have bought an album or TV show about the pricing, the inability to purchase a specific track, or simply nonsense &#8220;look at me!&#8221; posts. Apple really needs to start limiting reviews to those that actually bought the item. Perhaps to encourage professional reviews, they could open unlimited reviews to anyone that has posted more than 25 that are rated &#8220;useful&#8221; by other users.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Arlt</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16886</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Arlt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started reading your blog recently after the nice comments you got from Joe McNally on his blog.  Your blog is now on my list of &quot;must read&quot; blogs that I check daily.  Thanks for doing it!

Your take on the subject of ratings is dead on.  I had a side business at one point helping clients with customer feedback.  Getting meaningful feedback is brutally hard and as you clearly pointed out the number rating system can be very misleading.

Really all you can hope to get out of the ratings numbers are a general idea as to what people think and by and large that works OK, assuming there is enough data.  If there are 1000 ratings for something and the average rating is 2.5 stars then beware.  However if there are 1000 ratings on two comparable items and one has 4.5 stars and the other has 4.3 then the star ratings don&#039;t help you with the comparison and you just hope the rating system has associated comments to help you.

You ask about how people rate and my system is much like yours.  However, just asking that question points out that other people think differently.  For some people 5 stars is reserved for perfection (which never happens).  Again, all you can hope for is that you get enough ratings that the outliers (like the perfectionists) are averaged out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started reading your blog recently after the nice comments you got from Joe McNally on his blog.  Your blog is now on my list of &#8220;must read&#8221; blogs that I check daily.  Thanks for doing it!</p>
<p>Your take on the subject of ratings is dead on.  I had a side business at one point helping clients with customer feedback.  Getting meaningful feedback is brutally hard and as you clearly pointed out the number rating system can be very misleading.</p>
<p>Really all you can hope to get out of the ratings numbers are a general idea as to what people think and by and large that works OK, assuming there is enough data.  If there are 1000 ratings for something and the average rating is 2.5 stars then beware.  However if there are 1000 ratings on two comparable items and one has 4.5 stars and the other has 4.3 then the star ratings don&#8217;t help you with the comparison and you just hope the rating system has associated comments to help you.</p>
<p>You ask about how people rate and my system is much like yours.  However, just asking that question points out that other people think differently.  For some people 5 stars is reserved for perfection (which never happens).  Again, all you can hope for is that you get enough ratings that the outliers (like the perfectionists) are averaged out.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s not forget the iPhone app raters who are totally clueless. How many times have you seen an app with a 1-star rating with a review that says &quot;This is the most awesomest app!!!!1!!1!&quot;? :-)

Amazon&#039;s reviews don&#039;t seem to have this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the iPhone app raters who are totally clueless. How many times have you seen an app with a 1-star rating with a review that says &#8220;This is the most awesomest app!!!!1!!1!&#8221;? <img src='http://terrywhite.com/techblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Amazon&#8217;s reviews don&#8217;t seem to have this.</p>
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		<title>By: David Petersen</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16883</link>
		<dc:creator>David Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading a post, think it was netflix, about how most users only really use the 1 star or 5 star rating.   People pissed off or that have problems are highly likely to come back and rate the app/item. People who are extremely happy with the app/item will come back and rate.  But most people either tolerate the problems or enjoy the app/item don&#039;t spend the time to rate it.  This results in a lot of 1 and 5 star ratings and very little 2-4 star ratings.

A thumbs up or thumbs down rating system seems to fit better, I like it or I don&#039;t.  Users don&#039;t have to think about what a 3 star really means to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a post, think it was netflix, about how most users only really use the 1 star or 5 star rating.   People pissed off or that have problems are highly likely to come back and rate the app/item. People who are extremely happy with the app/item will come back and rate.  But most people either tolerate the problems or enjoy the app/item don&#8217;t spend the time to rate it.  This results in a lot of 1 and 5 star ratings and very little 2-4 star ratings.</p>
<p>A thumbs up or thumbs down rating system seems to fit better, I like it or I don&#8217;t.  Users don&#8217;t have to think about what a 3 star really means to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tissington</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16882</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tissington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I can only give Angels and Demons a one or two star - it was so predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I can only give Angels and Demons a one or two star &#8211; it was so predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly!</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/4079#comment-16880</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the App store&#039;s (iTunes) ratings for the Sirius app. The ratings were flooded with very negative ratings due to the fact that Sirius wasn&#039;t streaming the Howard Stern channels to the app.

Certainly, programming seems like a valid consideration, but it was obvious that most of the &quot;reviewers&quot; in this case gave the lowest rating possible based on this criteria alone, which offered readers absolutely no insight in how the app actually worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the App store&#8217;s (iTunes) ratings for the Sirius app. The ratings were flooded with very negative ratings due to the fact that Sirius wasn&#8217;t streaming the Howard Stern channels to the app.</p>
<p>Certainly, programming seems like a valid consideration, but it was obvious that most of the &#8220;reviewers&#8221; in this case gave the lowest rating possible based on this criteria alone, which offered readers absolutely no insight in how the app actually worked.</p>
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